The case of the Seiko 4205-0150 Midsize Diver. Fake dial, hands and Bezel

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    #1 SC-Texas, Mar 18, 2018
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    With the value of Seiko diver's watches climbing, the increase has yet to hit the 4205 midsize divers and the 2205 miniature ladies divers. Amazingly enough, Bakery and fraud a ramp it even in these models that are not popular as of yet this is a 4205 that I bought not working for a very low price. You'll notice that the loom is green. Generally, the loom has turned white or was white if these are in original dial and hands. These movements also have an indirect seconds hand which causes stuttering. It's a known issue that's fixable but you have to watch out for that

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    And the two photos below, check out the bezel. Specifically the alignment of the 30 with the triangle. The 30 appears to be significantly and noticeably off
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    I bought this donor watch specifically for the dial and hands.[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

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    These are exemplars to compare the fake dial to[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

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    Some education from the subject Matter Experts on SCWF:




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    uncleluck;2565770: Looks like a speedtimercollection setup...

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    And I straightened one of the pics out to show the bezel, look at how wonky your 0 is at the 30 market on the bezel, these were always quite tidy made watches.

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    I don't know enough about these with regards to hands, but these all show proper Seiko inserts and dials. Hands I'd need to do more research but given the rest of the parts on these, I'd say these are original hands, too.
     
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    Parts watch: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-Dive...050486?hash=item2ccfc05936:g:XA4AAOSwA~VaDu4-




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    A common issue with the 4205 movement is the indirect seconds hand. This causes a condition known as the stuttering seconds hand

    http://www.watchfreeks.com/showthread.php?t=26641

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    http://www.thewatchsite.com/showthread.php?t=29544

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    Lug size

    The 4205 comes in different case sizes,

    The 20mm lug width is the Midsize (38mm) version of the 4205.

    I measured the lug width on my watch with a digital caliper

    34mm cased versions, usually referred to as the ladies or boys 4205 is 17mm

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    Just arrived for parts maybe [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

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